Samyang 8mm T3.8 CS II

Ultra low cost fisheye

The Samyang 8mm T3.8 CS II (model name 8mm T3.8 Asph IF MC Fisheye CSII DH VDSLR) is the second fisheye ultra wide angle prime lens we see on vlog do zack, to generate those 180º diagonal angle of view images with distorted straight lines around the frame; aka “GoPro look”. All these extra letters mean it’s a special “cinema” version of the Samyang 8mm f/3.5, with a stepless aperture and gear for follow focus. Optically all “8mm f/3.5” you find under the Samyang or Rokinon brands are the same, so don’t worry about different image quality.

“Grand Central” com a EOS M at 1/15 ISO1600; look fisheye 180º no APS-C.

“Grand Central” with the EOS M at 1/15 ISO1600; 180º fisheye look on the APS-C format.

Let’s begin with the “CS” (cropped sensor) moniker, meaning it was designed to cover the maximum APS-C format, offering the same distorted look of the previously reviewed EF 15mm f/2.8 Fisheye on full frame. But as Samyang offers ten (!) different mounts (Canon EF, Canon-M, Nikon, Pentax K, Sony A, Sony E, Four-Thirds, MFT, Samsung NX e Fujifilm X), two full frame, they created a “II” version that comes with “DH” – detachable hood. So it can be uses as a circular full frame fisheye on 135 format cameras, similar to the Canon EF 8-15mm f/4L USM.

“Fisheye” com a EOS 6D at 1/60 ISO640; look circular 180º no full frame.

“Fisheye” with the EOS 6D at 1/60 ISO640; 180º circular fisheye on full frame. Raw available at Patreon.

And the “VDSLR” version brings toothed rings instead of traditional focus and aperture setups, both manual, compatible with follow-focus rigs for video production. You always ask me to show a cinema lenses, and this is it: instead of regular rings and a “clicked” aperture, “cinema” lenses allow continuous, seamless adjustments. Even the box comes with T/stops markings that consider the light loss after the transmission through the optical assemble. So it’s easier to match other lenses after you metered the scene. For just US$279 it is very easy on our budgets, the main trade-off being the manual aperture and focus. But is it worth the quality? Let’s find out!

BUILD QUALITY

Samyang 8mm T3.8 CSII

At 455g of 10 elements in 7 groups, the T3.8/8mm (as printed on the box) feels solid with a mix of external plastics and what seems like internal metals, with a metal mount. Nothing wobbles out of place and can definitely handle some bumping in your backpack. Both rings feedbacks are excellent and even its design is nice with a middle red ring and discreet markings, printed on the body. I do question if these markings won’t erase over time, making a future blind operation. But it’s well built nonetheless, definitely worth the US$279 price.

Samyang 8mm T3.8 CSII

But what gets our attention the most is not the large convex front element, made to cover the 180º diagonal angle of view (167º on the Canon version). It’s the toothed rings geared for professional follow focus rigs. They fit perfectly with a 0.8 pitch and as the tooth are injected in the same plastic as the rings, they won’t slip like some after market adapters. Its very well damped and the movement is smooth and precise, without the wobbling of photographic lenses.

Samyang 8mm T3.8 CSII

The aperture ring is clickless, another cinema feature. From T3.8 to T22 is a single 25º movement, for continuos adjustments made for seamless exposure sequences, like indoor / outdoor scenes; or even special effects in camera, like fade-ins or fade-outs. And from the 0.3m minimum focusing distance to infinity, both featuring a hard stop, it’s over 70º. Both gears are 28mm apart, compatible with most servo drives for remote controlling the lens.

Samyang 8mm T3.8 CSII

But what about photographers, can they live with a Cine lens? Yes, they can. Like other Samyangs, it’s all manual, so you’ll need to know a few things about focusing and aperture. But I did miss some rubber around the toothed rings as some Canon CN-E have; there’s definitely room for it between both rings. And remember to set your focus and aperture shot after shot, as it’s too easy to unintentionally move the rings when you’re carrying the camera.

Samyang 8mm T3.8 CSII

Last, the included plastic lens hood can be removed to show a 180º circle of projection on full frame cameras, like the circular fisheye EF 8-15mm f/4L USM. The also included lens cap attaches onto the hood, so keep it with you to protect the lens. It’s all very big, far from an everyday lens. But the metal mount is robust, typical of shorter primes (it’s 7cm in length). It balances well, the operation is buttery smooth, and I wouldn’t feel bad having a Samyang kit.



IMAGE QUALITY

“Financial District” at 1/90 ISO100.

“Financial District” at 1/90 ISO100. Raw available at Patreon.

Samyang is known for its low cost primes, with 100% manual operation, and a fantastic ten (!) mounts lineup, with many different models for the same optics: standard, cine, with or without lens hoods etc. And as the second “made in Korea” lens on vlog do zack, it sure impresses. No, it won’t get any awards for corner sharpness or wide open performance; as didn’t the Rokinon 85mm f/1.4 we’ve seen before. But the unique look is well worth the price and no other first party offers something similar without breaking the bank. All photos with the EOS M, no aperture data.

“Grand Central 2” at 1/15 ISO1600.

“Grand Central 2” at 1/15 ISO1600.

We really can’t expect any miracles at T3.8. The sharpness is not the best and there’s a noticeable blooming overall, with a steep drop of resolution around the edges. We can’t even blame the shallow depth of field as it won’t happen on a T3.8 fisheye; the problem lies on the simplified low cost optical formula, with a single aspherical element and some coatings (Samyang won’t explain which). Especially with high resolution sensors, you’ll see some smears around the edges, lacking details, bad for large prints. Note: the following examples I remember were wide open.

“Subway” at 1/250 ISO400.

“Subway” at 1/250 ISO400. Raw available at Patreon.

100% crop, falta de nitidez nas bordas, apesar dos sujeitos serem reconhecíveis.

100% crop, lack of sharpness around the edges, besides some recognisable shapes.

100% crop, blooming em zonas de contra-luz.

100% crop, blooming on backlit areas.

“Subway 2” at 1/60 ISO1600.

“Subway 2” at 1/60 ISO1600. Raw available at Patreon.

100% crop, impossível obter detalhes em abertura máxima.

100% crop, it’s impossible to get great detailing wide open.

“Grand Central 2” at 1/45 ISO1600.

“Grand Central 2” at 1/45 ISO1600. Raw available at Patreon.

100% crop, em abertura máxima T3.8 (esquerda) e T6.7 (direita), notável melhora na nitidez.

100% crop, wide open T3.8 (left) and T6.7 (right), a noticeable improvement.

“Priority Seating” at 1/125 ISO1600.

“Priority Seating” at 1/125 ISO1600. Raw available at Patreon.

100% crop, adeus detalhes!

100% crop, goodbye details!

Stopping down – I don’t know the exact values as this lens won’t transmit aperture data to the camera – the blooming gets fixed and we can have some hope for the corners. It’s the very same performance I got on their 85mm f/1.4, that gets acceptable from f/4 to f/8. If you shoot extreme sports, architecture, landscapes; or just want to have some fun with weird portraits, all under loads of light, for sure the results won’t get better than this, not at this price point. It won’t rival the EF 15mm f/2.8 Fisheye on a 5D, but for a small APS-C package, it’s definitely impressive.



“Subway 2” at 1/60 ISO400.

“Subway 2” at 1/60 ISO400. Raw available at Patreon.

100% crop, nitidez melhora fora da abertura máxima, mas nunca rivaliza de fato o full frame.

100% crop, it gets better stopped down, but never really rivals full frame cameras.

“Wall Street” at 1/125 ISO100.

“Wall Street” at 1/125 ISO100. Raw available at Patreon.

100% crop, os detalhes nunca são reproduzidos perfeitamente, falta contraste.

100% crop, the details are never really there, it lacks contrast.

“Broadway” at 1/60 ISO250.

“Broadway” at 1/60 ISO250. Raw available at Patreon.

100% crop, são raros os arquivos de alta resolução com esta objetiva.

100% crop, high-res files are rare from this lens.

“WTO” at 1/60 ISO125.

“WTO” at 1/60 ISO125.

100% crop, mas às vezes a nitidez aparece.

100% crop, but sometime you do get some sharpness.

“Átrio” at 1/60 ISO3200.

“Átrio” at 1/60 ISO3200. Raw available at Patreon.

100% crop, suba o ISO em ambientes fechados para compensar a abertura…

100% crop, raise your ISO to stop the aperture down…

“Átrio 2” at 1/60 ISO2500.

“Átrio 2” at 1/60 ISO2500. Raw available at Patreon.

100% crop, porque o ruído vale mais que a falta de resolução do T3.8.

100% crop, as it’s easier to deal with noise than some lack of sharpness from T3.8.

“NYTB” at 1/350 ISO400.

“NYTB” at 1/350 ISO400.

100% crop, conversão P&B com ajuste no contraste melhora a nitidez.

100% crop, black and white conversion helps bringing the sharpness back.

“W” at 1/250 ISO200.

“W” at 1/250 ISO200.

100% crop, momentos de brilhantismo nas imagens. :-D

100% crop, moments of brilliance from the Samyang. :-D

“Dow Jones” at 1/90 ISO200.

“Dow Jones” at 1/90 ISO200. Raw available at Patreon.

100% crop, blooming mesmo com a objetiva fechada.

100% crop, some blooming even stopped down.

“Times Square” at 1/180 ISO100.

“Times Square” at 1/180 ISO100.

100% crop, há esperança no centro…

100% crop, there’s hope around the center…

100% crop, mas só no centro mesmo.

100% crop, but just in the center.

“East Balcony” at 1/30 ISO1600.

“East Balcony” at 1/30 ISO1600.

100% crop, em ambientes fechados, o ISO fará o resto do trabalho de matar os detalhes.

100% crop, the high ISO will put an end to the details on indoor scenes.

“Astronomical” at 1/10 ISO1600.

“Astronomical” at 1/10 ISO1600.

100% crop, estrelas de seis pontas indicam que a abertura estava fechada, mas detalhes não estão lá.

100% crop, the six points stars show the aperture was stopped down, but the details aren’t there.

“Bow Bridge” at 1/60 ISO100.

“Bow Bridge” at 1/60 ISO100.

100% crop, arquivos suaves, sem precisão…

100% crop, smooth files, lacking precision…

“Passagem” at 1/20 ISO100.

“Passage” at 1/20 ISO100.

100% crop, que de vez em quando entregam detalhes.

100% crop, that sometimes render some details.

The colours are better balanced then the 85mm f/1.4, that show some yellowing on the shadows. And the contrast is there far from highlights. It’s good in general and you can get vibrant files, with micro details at T8. But around backlit areas we can see the strong light leak due to the lack of specialised coatings. It won’t destroy your files, but we’ve sure seen better lenses on vlog do zack.

“Isamu Noguchi” at 1/60 ISO640.

“Isamu Noguchi” at 1/60 ISO640.

“Red Cube” at 1/60 ISO400.

“Red Cube” at 1/60 ISO400.

“Arch” at 1/60 ISO500.

“Arch” at 1/60 ISO500.

“Sunset” at 1/60 ISO100; equilíbrio de cores funciona ao longo do dia.

“Sunset” at 1/60 ISO100; the colour balances works throughout the day.

“Mark di Suvero” at 1/60 ISO125.

“Mark di Suvero” at 1/60 ISO125.

“R us” em 1” ISO100.

“R us” em 1” ISO100.

“O” at 1/60 ISO320.

“O” at 1/60 ISO320.

“Grand Central 3” at 1/15 ISO1600.

“Grand Central 3” at 1/15 ISO1600.

Last the lateral CA is typical of low cost lenses but easily fixable in software. No camera natively supports Samyang lenses, so you’ll have to do it in post. Not even Adobe features Samyang profiles yet, so I couldn’t convert the fisheye images to rectilinear ones. But a single click on “remove chromatic aberration” and +4 on the purple defringe is enough to clean those coloured halos around the edges. Stopping the aperture down and fixing it in post are the best practices.

“Times Square 2” at 1/180 ISO100.

“Times Square 2” at 1/180 ISO100. Raw available at Patreon.

100% crop, cores coloridas e falta de resolução nas bordas.

100% crop, coloured edges and lack of resolution around the corners.

“42nd” at 1/180 ISO400.

“42nd” at 1/180 ISO400. Raw available at Patreon.

100% crop, CA lateral aparece mesmo sem a nitidez de vidros mais puros.

100% crop, the lateral is there besides the lack of sharpness.

“7 AV” at 1/180 ISO100.

“7 AV” at 1/180 ISO100.

100% crop, uma das soluções é apelar para a conversão preto e branco…

100% crop, a typical solution is to convert it to black and white…

“LOVE” at 1/15 ISO100.

“LOVE” at 1/15 ISO100.

100% crop, ou corrigir via software no pós processamento (embaixo).

100% crop, or to fix it in post (bottom).

“Galhos” at 1/90 ISO100.

“Branches” at 1/90 ISO100.

100% crop, mas o problema não é tão grave no centro do quadro.

100% crop, but it’s not that bad near the center of the frame.

“Flare” at 1/180 ISO100.

“Flare” at 1/180 ISO100.

100% crop, estrela de seis pontas na abertura simples de seis lâminas.

100% crop, a six point star from a six blade aperture.

“Bandeira” at 1/125 ISO200.

“Flag” at 1/125 ISO200.

100% crop, efeito até funciona dependendo do sujeito.

100% crop, it works depending on the subject.

“Arco” at 1/15 ISO1600; o que importa é o look único das imagens fisheye.

“Arch” at 1/15 ISO1600; what matters is the fisheye look.

VERDICT

The Samyang 8mm T3.8 CS II delivers exactly what I was expecting: great build quality, special toothed rings, a unique look on APS-C cameras, and a fair image quality for US$279. The purchase can be answered on the first question from that trifold logic I always tell you: if you need the focal length (1), no other lens will do it at this price point. The aperture (2) is less important given the long DoF. And extra features (3) like the toothed rings for follow focus gears or detachable hood are all covered. For a low cost fisheye, this is what you were looking for. Nice shooting!